Why is it all of the SF's in Nate's system are inconsistent and dissapointed(ing)
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 07/29/2010 3:34 PM

    Something I've been thinking about for a couple of years now. I'm a huge McMillan fan. I don't think he's perfect, but I like what he's done here. However since he's been here, we've played quite a few players at the SF position. With the exception of Batum, who does what he does offensively but makes his name for himself on D, we've had Outlaw, Fernandez, and Webster with legit shots at the starting job. All three of those guys are aggressive ball in their hands slasher type players. However, all three of them were exciled to standing in the corner waiting for the defense to collapse so they could take the kick out and rotate the ball or hit 3's. In Outlaws case, he got extremely aggressive shooting... shot a low percentage overall and got moved (sucked pretty bad a D too - played better at the 4). Webster got streaky on both ends of the court and never gained the confidence of himself of Nate so he got moved. Rudy's D blows and he can't seem to figure out how to contribute within that system so he wants out. Am I the only one that though Outlaw, Webster, and Rudy were all above average players that have all underperformed? I don't know why, but I expected A LOT more out of all of them. The NBA is full of SF's that dominate. What's up? Is it Nate's idea of the way that position should be played? or is it really the players?
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 07/29/2010 3:40 PM

    I don't think its the system, its the player. Outlaw got more consistent as his career went along, but he's a shooter and shooters get streaky. Webster's been inconsistent since day one and I think Rudy just isn't that good. A coach can only do so much, one thing he can't do is go out there and make them make their shots.
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 07/29/2010 3:56 PM

    I get that, I just think it would be hard to be consistent when all your shots come from behind the arc. Our SF's never move without the ball. Actually, come to think of it, Rudy's rookie year he was CONSTANTLY moving without the ball. I didn't see that at all last year. All of those guys were so athletic too. Remember that game Martel had against Utah coming off all those screens? Why did we never really see that again? Are those guys just over-rated? I mean seriously, what happened? I think Nate just wants his three to stretch the floor and play solid D... PERIOD! It doesn't matter who it is, that's all they seem to do. No?
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  1. Matt Todd
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    Posted 07/29/2010 3:56 PM

    No your not the only one that thought that Outlaw, Webster and Rudy underperformed.  I love Outlaw as a person as a player I'm not that excited to see him play he was very inconsistent in his play and often took bad shots.  Back when they were aloud to draft out of high school I wasn't a fan a of drafting Webster out of high school, he wasn't very consistent on O or D.  Rudy oh Rudy your rookie season was his best offensively I'm not a fan of his because he isn't great on offense and was just bad on defense. 

    Batum has been the best SF that the blazers have had in a long time.  I like the fact that he plays defense and he excels on defense.  I would like to see Portland get another SF and have him be another defensive stopper.  And Batum is pretty solid on offense just needs to develop a better inside game.
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 07/29/2010 4:01 PM

    ... oh yea, even Udoka and James Jones... Stretch the floor and play solid D. Really Nate? That's it? What am I missing? There are teams in this league that are carried by that position. It's almost like 4 on 5 when we're on offense?
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  1. t bone
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    Posted 07/29/2010 4:04 PM

    Rudy isn't a SF, I really like Outlaw but his strengths were not what we need.  Webster was good though, He played defense, could contribute on offense but was still unselfish on offense and was a capable outside shooter which really complements Brandon well when both were on the court.  I was sad to see him go effectively for a guy that is the next Outlaw at best but looks more like the next Luke Jackson.

    I have to think the Webster trade was more about the next offseason by clearing cap space to make a run at Melo (yikes).  Melo is the Rasheed of this generation, all kinds of talent and physical ability but questionable attitude and a thug mentality.
  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 07/29/2010 4:11 PM

    ok, Ill back off on Rudy - although when we play with 3 guards its questionable who is the 3. But how about Kobe, Lebron, even guys like Rashard Lewis and Jason Richardson play that position sometimes, and slash and attack from there. Would be cool if we had someone play the position that way, and we've had some big athletic 3's. Just doesn't seem to happen here. IDK, maybe I'm wrong.
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  1. Justin Osborn
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    Posted 07/29/2010 4:17 PM

    i think outlaw was a beast the guy could play some d if you rember before we had batum outlaw was that role just because outlaw can jump out of the gym. hmm that could be interesting get melo in a blazer uniform hehe just sayin that would be interesting but when melo is driven he is just as good as lebron not as a overall player but as a pure scorer melo can score at will but he never seems to want to do the extra things like bang for rebounds and the guy is a turnover machine but idk is jason had a point there i got nothing why that rudy i dont think is use to playin guys that are all just as fast,strong, and disciplined on defense as he was and thats why he dominated internationally but in the NBA its different im interested in watching Babbit play some SF he is a big guy and man did you watch him summer league that guy can make his living just watching roy slash and when they collapse on him just watch babbit let the ball fly.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 07/29/2010 4:23 PM

    I think Outlaw and Webster were brow beaten by Nate too much at too young of an age. They never developed that swagger, and were always looking over their shoulder waiting to be pulled if they made a mistake. I don't consider Rudy a 3 either.
    Nic has that swagger, and I think next season we will see more Nic on offense. I think I have  have heard Nate admit he should have used Nic to attack more offensively when Nash was guarding him in the playoffs.
    I also like Dante playing some 3 next season. He is always in the right place at the right time, and has a bit of swagger himself.
    I'm not ready to give up on that position yet, I'm more concerned about the pg musical chairs continuing....
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/29/2010 4:40 PM

    Posted By Kim on 07/29/2010 4:23 PM
    I think Outlaw and Webster were brow beaten by Nate too much at too young of an age. They never developed that swagger, and were always looking over their shoulder waiting to be pulled if they made a mistake.

    Wait..WHAT?!? Trav didn't have swag? He was the most clutch player outside of Roy over the past 15 years. You have to have confidence, swagger, and belief to not only take but make the game winning shots. Bench players aren't supposed to play that much in the 4th quarter, but Travis earned Nate's trust and he repayed him by always performing in the crunch.

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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 07/29/2010 4:44 PM

    As much as I love me some Travis, I still think he was always looking over his shoulder for Nate if he made a mistake. I didn't say  he wasnt a clutch player in the 4th quarter.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/29/2010 4:52 PM

    Travis is one player who never had to worry about looking over his shoulder. His main criticism from 'Outlaw-haters' was that Nate used him too much. The same could be said for Jarrett Jack.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 07/29/2010 5:01 PM

    Maybe not on offense, but defense was another story.  His defense was always hated on by Blazer fans. 
     Believe me, I am far from an Outlaw hater. Anyone who has been around here awhile can tell you that.
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 07/29/2010 5:05 PM

    ok, now THAT"S funny. I can attest to one thing. When Travis was here, Kim was the BIGGEST, and some times it seemed like the ONLY Travis supporter. Did he make some clutch shots? Yep. Did he win some games like that? Yeah. Did he completely shoot us out of so many games I can't even count that we will never even know? Oh yeah. Not to mention, if his offense was like his defense, he would have never made it to the NBA. A couple of years ago when Travis stepped in at the 4, he was phenominal. That was when he started getting the attention of the rest of the league. I would go so far as to say that his time with the Blazers when he was playing the 4 is what finally got him his fat pay check with the Nets. I haven't second guessed moving him at all. The guy was totally cool and some nights could score at will. We wanted him to be a 3 (especially since Lamarcus is here) and he couldn't do it. He didn't fit in here. Could have been a great spark off the bench at the 4 though if we could have used him like that. Just wasn't the way it happened.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 07/29/2010 7:28 PM

    As much as I love me some Travis, watching Dante really exposed what was missing on defense.  I'm equal opportunity when it comes to players needing to D up . I am going to miss repeating ... when Travis jumps , he's open ;)

    That's why I'm happy with Nic and Dante at the 3, and seeing what Babbitts got.
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  1. Andy Blacksmith
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    Posted 07/29/2010 11:07 PM

    Really? The guy who nearly shot the US out of the olympics while dunking past Dwight Howard "just isn't that good?" The guy who broke the rookie record for three pointers made in a season "just isn't that good?" He is unhappy and it is effecting his play. That is what is happening. He is damn good.
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  1. xvillainx_1
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    Posted 07/30/2010 12:05 AM

    The system isn't built for SF's that can't really shoot the ball...The blazers offense relies on a lot of jumpshooting....most of the sf's we have are converted PF's or SG's anyway...we haven't had a traditional 3 in a while.
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 07/30/2010 4:23 AM

    its kinda hard to imagina melo as a thug. look at him he's got baby soft skin
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  1. Blazers4Life247
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    Posted 07/30/2010 4:38 AM

    i got 1 thing to say. LUKE BABBIT ;] POW!
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 07/30/2010 7:18 AM

    Disclaimer... I think Nate is a GREAT coach. Didn't mean to imply anything different.  I was raised by a Sarge. Some people just dont respond well to it.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/30/2010 10:39 AM

    Posted By Kim on 07/29/2010 5:01 PM
    Maybe not on offense, but defense was another story.  His defense was always hated on by Blazer fans. 
     Believe me, I am far from an Outlaw hater. Anyone who has been around here awhile can tell you that.

    No, I wasn't saying you were an Outlaw-Hater. I was referring to people I went to school with or watched games with who got upset he saw the floor too much as well as others on message boards who never seemed to think Travis could do anything right.
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