BUSTS and Surprises
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/27/2012 7:45 PM

    Below are some of my thoughts about some potential busts, guys I like, and a couple curious guys.  If I gave it some thought I could probably expand on that list.  I typed this in Word and pasted it here, and I got a popup about some potential formatting issue, so if you see some weird garbled crap, i guess it got lost in translation...

    POTENTIAL BUSTS - Or at least guys I'm scared of, they've got baggage, concerns... people I think Portland should be leary of:

    Perry Jones III - At times he took games off, didn't always assert himself.  He's about 6-11 and I compare him to Horry or Cliff Robinson, and well, that's not fair because those guy's were really busts, it's just with Perry's height, you hope for a center who can block some shots and grab some rebounds, but that's not Perry's style.  My biggest problem with Perry is his motivation; I don't know what to expect from him because of his inconsistent effort I saw in college.  He pissed me off more often than not because when you want him to step up and help, he'll have 4 points.  One game I saw he didn't score until the last couple minutes of a game, and I know guys have bad games here and there, but it seemed common with Perry to just disappear and he never returned with his superman cape.  If he was coasting to prevent injury and all the sudden flourishes, well, I won’t be surprised, but I think there’s too much risk with PJ.

    Jeremy Lamb - I saw cmeese has him rated over Waiters, but I think Lamb is over-rated.  I think he's about 6-4/5, but I don't even think he's 180 pounds, very thin.  He doesn't pass much, and he's not a deep threat.  2 years ago Lamb really seemed to takeover when Kemba was in foul trouble and Lamb really did appear to be the MVP when UConn won the title.  Then Lamb made the World Championship and he was solid.  After all that and after Kemba went pro, people expected Lamb to takeover and dominate for UConn last year, but he didn't.  I think he was lucky to average 13 ppg and at one point he got benched.  I think if he's a lottery pick as people expect, people are going to expect him to start and kick butt, and I think he'll end up coming in off the bench.

    Austin Rivers - This guy is as one-dimensional as it gets.  He's got pedigree, and he has a real nice shooting touch, but he doesn't pass, rebound, he's not strong, and I could see this guy struggling.  I wonder mentally how he's going to hack it because I don’t see him filling daddy’s shoes and living up to expectations.  I’ve heard people compare him and his shot to Reggie Miller, but this guy moves nowhere near as good as Reggie without the ball.  I’m sellin this guy.

    Tyler Zeller - If you want a guy who can be valuable coming in off the bench, then he's not a bust, but he's slated as a lottery pick and I don't see him as a go-to guy or anyone who will flourish.  He's not a leaper and he doesn't have the wingspan of his teammate Henson, so to me Zeller is a poor man's center; actually he’s more of a power forward, but he's not powerful.  He can score and rebound, but he isn't as good as Aldridge and he doesn't bring anything to the table that Aldridge doesn't already have.  Bottom line, if Portland takes him, I would worry about our GM and Portland's scouting ability.

    Fab Melo - This is a reach for me because I'm not that scared of him busting, but I just don't know if his skillset is ready for him to flourish and if teams do not have patience, then he could end up spending too much time on the bench, he'll be forgotten and replaced with a more sure thing in a future draft.  Still, Fab is a legit 7 footer who can block, but I wish he’d stayed in school another year or two.  He'll find his place, but a guy like Ezeli may surpass him on wish lists and turn out to be the better pro.

    J'Covan Brown - I hate to put him on this list, but he's just this chubby little inconsistent guard who's not tall enough to be a shooting guard, but he also didn't run the point at Texas.  I think he'll have a hard time matching up in the NBA, but the one thing that prevents him from being a bust is that this guy can score and at times, he really took over for Texas.  This guy could be on my surprises list too, but a surprise with the potential to bust.   I'd put him here before there b/c he's a guy who could end up tucked away on a bench and if he doesn't shine when he's given a few minutes a night, then he's going to be forgotten.  I hope not, cuz I like him, but I'm just worried about the guy.


    SURPRISES- guys I wouldn't mind seeing Portland go after.

    Moe Harkless - He's a bit thin, but in the mold of Kevin Durant.  He has the ability to takeover a game and had many big scoring games, including 30 against Duke.  He's very athletic and a pretty solid rebounder.  He was almost a double-double guy who is very young... he's a 1-and-done.  He has room for improvement, but I like his raw skills and he shoots around 50% from the floor, so I think there's little downside in this pick.

    Tony Wroten - Not sure what people have against him, but this guy I'm pretty sure was freshman of the year in the Pac 12.  If not, I'd have no clue who was better.  Like so many in the draft, he's athletic, but he's also a tall guy (I think 6-6) who ran the point for the Huskies.  His downfall is that he looks like he has no clue how to shoot a free throw, but I've seen him deliver some nifty passes.  He's got some flash and if it came down to Portland taking him or Machado, I'd say Machado's more sound, but Wroten has the higher ceiling... so he'll probably be taken higher.  eee er eee er.  I like Machado, Wroten's less mature, so more of a project. 
     
    Draymond Green - Have not heard a word from anyone here about this guy.  Man, when MSU needed a clutch basket, Green was the man.  He's about 6-6, but he plays much bigger, looks much bigger, and to me he's not really a shooting guard, actually he's more of a power forward with range.  I saw him drain some 3's, but he's a guy who did so much for MSU.  He has such a smooth stroke for a big guy, but he's also a rebounder. He can shoot, rebound, and pass.  I'm not positive of stats, but watching him play he seems like a 15 pt/10 rpg type of guy and for a guy who's not that tall, well, I dunno, compare him to Charles Barkley, but this is a guy who's going to find a spot probably on a near championship team b/c I have a feeling he'll go late first round and he's going to be a guy other teams are going to wonder why they didn't draft him.  I expect he'll have a long NBA career.  Love this guy.  Love Love Love.  HE CAN PLAY.

    Will Barton - Again, nobody talking about this guy.  He's a thin guy, but he's a dazzler.  He went to the same school as Derrick Rose (Memphis) and he sorta took off where he left off.  Sort of.  Barton's not a point guard, but he is so athletic and a real exciting player.  He shoots over 50 percent from the floor, he rebounds great because of his hops, he can throw down some athletic jams, he can even pass pretty damned good.  His thin frame, is that a reason for concern?  Is that why his stock is lower than it should be?   I don't know, but this guy's a sleeper.  

    John Jenkins - I think Portland would have to move up from 40 to get him, but this guy is a marksman.  I don't know his percentage, but I have to believe he's one of the best bombers from downtown in the draft.  He's not going to bring much else to the table, but he also doesn't turn the ball over.  I was hoping Vandy would do better with Jenkins, Taylor, and Ezeli because this was the best Vandy team maybe ever, but they didn't win more than 1 or 2 games in the tourney.  I forget.

    Festus Ezeli - I was reluctant to mention him as a surprise because I think he was suspended for academics or something else and I do question his intelligence, but this guy has about the same size as Drummond and I think he brings some bang for your buck.  He's a strong guy and you gotta like him in the paint.  Plus he's probably an early 2nd rounder ... i'm hoping he slides to portland, but if he does, wow, what a gift at 40.  Initially I think he can contribute 15-20 quality minutes off the bench and emerge into a regular starter.  His best attributes are his physique, experience (he played 4 years at Vanderbilt), and his shooting percentage was consistently over 50.  He's also a good shot blocker.  His biggest problem is probably that he gets himself in foul trouble often, but twice I saw him against Kentucky and he had pretty solid games... his 2nd game against UK was one of his better efforts of the year and it resulted in Kentucky's only loss of the season.  So Ezeli is a guy who will rise to the occasion, but for these reasons he's also got a bust factor... because I do question his drive, but I heard his workouts were going well.  I did see him at the combine and while he's listed at 6-11, he looked taller than Drummond, maybe it's posture, Drummond seems to slouch a bit at times like Tim Duncan, but I think Ezeli may be taller.


    OTHER GUYS - not on the draft board that deserve consideration:

    Jorge Gutierrez - I don't know if he quit basketball or maybe if his numbers just aren't good enough and that's why nobody's talking about him, but he was pac 12 player of the year AND defensive player of the year.  I'm pretty sure he was a senior last year, so I'm curious why he's not on the draft board.  He doesn't have great range, but he's a 6-3 point guard who knows how to play defense, and offensively he can create.  Maybe he'll sign as a free agent.  He's probably not worth taking at 40/1, but maybe he could be a 3rd PG and I think with his defensive ability, he'd be good to have in close games.  

    Yancy Gates - He's like 260 pounds and might not be the most fundamentally sound big man, but he is a big body who can handle the rigors of the NBA.  He can score and I have to believe the reason he's not on the board is he's just not assertive enough; maybe not athletic enough.  But Cincy was really pretty solid and it was pretty much him and Cashmere running the team.


    There’s more, but those guys were fresh on my mind J

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/27/2012 7:53 PM

    I think your analysis is pretty good. I see Lamb as a potential Richard Hamilton if he is active and is willing to settle for mid-range jumpers then he could become a star. If he remains passive and keeps forcing 3 pointers then he will be a bust.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/27/2012 7:55 PM

    I think you should add Royce White to your potential surprises and Jae Crowder.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/27/2012 8:36 PM

    Robert Horry a bust? He was a clutch shooter on a championship team...
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/27/2012 8:43 PM

    GEMS-
    Draymond Green-
    This guy just puts up numbers. He's not the biggest or fastest but he's always around the hoop, grindin for the loose ball.

    Jared Cunningham-
    This kid is athletic and has a knack for the ball, especially when it comes to steals. I think he could peak out as a prime Larry Hughes.

    Kyle O'Quinn-
    A big with passion to play the game. Sign me up.

    Jae Crowder-
    The Kenneth Faried of this draft. Just keep doubting him and his size and he'll continue to produce.

    Kendall Marshall-
    He's going to fall deep into the teens and teams are going to kick themselves in the upcoming years for passing on him. He's one of the best floor generals I've seen in the college game in a long time.

    Austin Rivers-
    This kid just has that "it" factor. He's clutch, confident, and can create for himself.

    Terrence Ross-
    This kid just looks like an NBA player. He's got prototypical size at 6-7, can jump out of the gym, and his jumper is wet.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/27/2012 8:43 PM

    But on topic now, I definitely agree with Lamb and Zeller. In my opinion, Lambs stats and scoring ability are false fronts. He doesn't look like he knows how to compete at the NBA level. I think, once he has NBA defenders contesting his shot, he'll move to the end of someone's bench.

    Zeller kind of reminds me of Channing Frye without the range for some reason. I don't know why that comparison comes to mind, but I guess it's just the idea of a bean-pole kid stepping onto the court with men like Howard, Bynum, M. Gasol, Chandler, Bogut, Hibbert... He's going to get shoved out of the paint and better develop a highly consistent long-range jumper, because that's the only look he'll get. Or he needs some creatine and weight-room hours.
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 06/27/2012 8:55 PM

    I wouldn't consider Horry or Cliff Robinson busts.

    Horry was a key player on 7 championship teams and played at least 15 seasons in the NBA.
    Robinson played what, 18 seasons? Was named 6th man of the year, an all star, 2nd round pick. No way he can be considered a bust, other than his off court druggie problems.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/27/2012 9:02 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 06/27/2012 7:55 PM
    I think you should add Royce White to your potential surprises and Jae Crowder.

    lol   funny because I was going to type about them, but I thought the post was getting so long that nobody would read it all anyway :-/ 

    My quickie review of Jae - Player of the Year in a solid conference.  Dude is only about 6-6, but TOUGH as nails. Love him as a prospect, think he could be a solid banger in the NBA, even if he doesnt' have the height, I just think he's a player in the mold of Draymond, but more muscular.  

    Royce was a double double guy at Iowa State and really carried their team. Love him as a prospect, imagine him to be a solid contributor in the NBA.  He's about 6-8 and big, 250+, strong guy.  Probably a role player.  Not sure a fair comparison, maybe kenyon martin?  
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/27/2012 9:16 PM

    Posted By D_pickett on 06/27/2012 8:36 PM
    Robert Horry a bust? He was a clutch shooter on a championship team...

    Yeah, sorry, I caught that after I posted it too.  I was saying it's not fair to compare PJ to Cliff and Horry because those guys wereN'T busts, I just said "were" busts.  of course they weren't, my bad.  I guess what I was saying is I see bust potential in PJIII because he's a near 7 footer and I guess long ago when Cliff Robinson played, I always thought he was a wuss because he's so tall and can't block; his game is mostly on the perimeter and Horry the same way.  But they had pretty good NBA careers.  But Perry has their size, yet he doesn't have their perimeter game, he will not be the guy called on to his clutch buckets.  A guy like Draymond brings so much more to the table than Perry and Draymond gives up about half a foot in height...  Perry doesn't block shots, he wasn't assertive, didn't score as much as he should of and he isn't a banger.  What he is, is a tall guy with a soft touch, and people see upside in him, but I don't.  I see a lazy p.o.s who didn't help his team nearly as much as he should have and I seriously question his heart.  I think he's in it for the paycheck and I won't be a bit surprised if he ends up on someone's bench collecting multi millions with minimal contribution.  Of course I could be wrong, but he's just a risky pick in my book and I hope Olshey doesn't like him.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/27/2012 9:44 PM

    Posted By DHawes22 on 06/27/2012 8:43 PM
    GEMS-
    Draymond Green-
    This guy just puts up numbers. He's not the biggest or fastest but he's always around the hoop, grindin for the loose ball.

    Jared Cunningham-
    This kid is athletic and has a knack for the ball, especially when it comes to steals. I think he could peak out as a prime Larry Hughes.

    Kyle O'Quinn-
    A big with passion to play the game. Sign me up.

    Jae Crowder-
    The Kenneth Faried of this draft. Just keep doubting him and his size and he'll continue to produce.

    Kendall Marshall-
    He's going to fall deep into the teens and teams are going to kick themselves in the upcoming years for passing on him. He's one of the best floor generals I've seen in the college game in a long time.

    Austin Rivers-
    This kid just has that "it" factor. He's clutch, confident, and can create for himself.

    Terrence Ross-
    This kid just looks like an NBA player. He's got prototypical size at 6-7, can jump out of the gym, and his jumper is wet.
    I'm leary of praising local guys like Jared because I seen him play so much, and I want him to succeed, but I'm afraid of disrespecting the local guy or pumping him up too much, so I choose to remain idle and hope for the best.  He's athletic and should do well in the NBA, but I remember freddie jones and other local products I had high expectations for didn't flourish and so I'm probably too critical or maybe anxious of the local guys I like.  My fear with Cunningham is that he comes in off the bench and is too inconsistent, and that's going to hurt his ability to get more minutes.  But yeah, his defense will help lead to offense and if he can earn minutes, then he could be good.

    I love Jae

    I didn't mention Marshall or O'Quinn because I've spoken so much about them already.  Love 'em both.   I think with Marshall, the same reason people think Lillard was such a high scorer at Weber is quite possibly the same reason Marshall wasn't a more prolific scorer at UNC... he didn't need to be... and Lillard did.  But I also  think it's in their nature, that's who they are, and I don't think fans should expect them to change that much in the NBA.   And people should appreciate what Marshall brings... best passer in the nation and better than most PGs currently in the NBA.   great court awareness cannot be taught and Marshall's got the gift like Nash and Kidd.... people don't listen to me much about him because everyone wants the scorer Lillard.  

    lol... not buyin Rivers. 

    Ross's stock is rising, but I didn't mention him because I don't see him as a surprise.  I mean, I think he's going to be taken in the top 15 or so right?  Wroten seemed to dazzle fans more than Ross, but Ross was the more consistent guy who really did carry the Huskies.  I'm just not sure where he fits in with Portland.  I think you'd probably have to get rid of Matthews and start Ross.  I don't think he's big enough to matchup against NBA small forwards, but maybe.  I'm not a big fan of the guy.  But I also wouldn't say he's going to be a bust.  
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/27/2012 9:52 PM

    Yeah, PJIII does model himself after Durant. But if that's the direction he's going for, he's never gonna live up to expectations. Altough... Lillard plays a lot like Westbrook; poor man's Westbrook and poor man's KD on one team would be interesting to see.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/27/2012 9:56 PM

    PJIII is passive I see him as a major potential bust
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  1. mbmurr1
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    Posted 06/27/2012 10:18 PM

    Harkless is the real deal projected at around #20-#25
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/27/2012 11:43 PM

     I didn't mention Marshall or O'Quinn because I've spoken so much about them already.  Love 'em both.   I think with Marshall, the same reason people think Lillard was such a high scorer at Weber is quite possibly the same reason Marshall wasn't a more prolific scorer at UNC... he didn't need to be... and Lillard did.  But I also  think it's in their nature, that's who they are, and I don't think fans should expect them to change that much in the NBA.   And people should appreciate what Marshall brings... best passer in the nation and better than most PGs currently in the NBA.   great court awareness cannot be taught and Marshall's got the gift like Nash and Kidd.... people don't listen to me much about him because everyone wants the scorer Lillard.  

    I think my avatar speaks for itself when it comes to my position on Lillard. Normally, I would take Marshall over Lillard 9 times out of 10. I grew up watching John Stockton, and I love seeing a killer pass-first PG. But I'm buying on Lillard for a couple reasons: 1) we need a guy that can get his own shot; that was glaring last year without Brandon (probably why I'm higher on Rivers than many). Jamal was brought in for instant offense, but he was more about the funky handles than the quick first step and attack mode. 2) Every acquisition to this point has been about building a running team that can get out in transition and take it to the hole for easy buckets. That's way more Lillard's game than Marshall's.

    Also, I think, with Lillard's inside scoring ability, his drive and dish game could be deadly. Think of what shooters like Nic, Lamarcus, Wesley, and Luke could do with a guy that flashes to the middle, collapses the defense, and dishes it out. It could be very pretty.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/28/2012 12:14 AM

    I'll agree with much of what you said.

    I'll take exception to #2.  Every acquisition Portland has made recently has been to clean house.  Virtually all of them are free agents, and with a new coach and GM, well, Portland has no game plan.  We don't know what kind of team or offense we're going to have.  A lot will be determined based on who portland does pick.  Guys like MKG and Drummond mean portland wants to be defensive and start their offense by stopping teams, forcing them into turnovers, and then we need a guy like Nash to get the break going.  If they go with Lillard, then I hope Portland changes their offense so guys like Batum and Matthews move more without the ball because Lillard at times can be a one-man show.

    On that note, I'll also disagree with the last point you made... and I'll take a page out of Walton's playbook.  "Where's the penetration and dish".  At Weber State, you actually didn't see Lillard taking it to the hole and kicking it out to guys on the perimeter that much.  In fact I'd say when defenses did collapse, Lillard either drove thru them and scored, or drew a foul, sometimes he ran into congestion and go himself in trouble, then frantically tried to find open guys, but it wasn't really his thing to dish to open guys.  You know he only had a few assists per game and most times what I saw were dump offs when he saw a double team coming or something.  I dunno, I'm not saying he can't make the pass to the perimeter, but more often than not, I think you're going to see Batum and Matthews standing around watching him and as I told cmeese, I think Portland's offense because a bit more 2-dimensional. That might not be such a bad thing I guess cuz Portland could use some offense, but my plan would include Nash and Waiters instead of Lillard.  If Nash isn't going to happen, well, whatever, we'll see who's taken 6th in I dunno, 17 hours from now :-D

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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/28/2012 12:45 AM

    I'll agree with you when it comes to the last couple of roster moves. It has been a roster dump. I guess I'm seeing things from a league wide standpoint. The half-court teams aren't cutting it right now, and I think most of the front office is thinking of building a young, running team. Unless I'm missing something...

    And I have two words regarding my other point: Weber State. When you have a guy with Lillard's driving ability, why pass up a sure lay-up or dunk to dish to a 33% shooter on the perimeter? I'm not saying he currently has the drive and dish game, but I think he could learn it very quickly.

    By the way, it's a little off topic, but I heard a story about Lillard hurting his foot, and when he was out with the injury he watched tape of every college game he'd played to find things to improve in his game. I don't know. I just love that kind of mentality.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/28/2012 9:33 AM

    Where is the love for Jeffery Taylor kid is a great defender and will become a solid contributor on a good team right away.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/28/2012 12:32 PM

    Yeah, D_pickett, at weber state, like I said before, I saw him twice on TV and I didn't see him when he came to Portland, so my knowledge of him is from just 2 games ... one of them was a loss, and Lillard looked sloppy at times.  He runs himself into trouble, other times guys are in awe of him and defenders seem to be stuck in cement shoes.  I did hear them talk about Lillard's work ethic, but back then there wasn't much talk about Lillard needing to prove himself for nba scouts or anything, so I never heard how intense his work ethic was.  

    honestly though, whenever people talk about work ethic, other than maybe PJIII, I haven't really heard any criticisms.  One person thought they'd heard Drummond was a bit lazy, but if he's lazy, then I'd really like to know how he's been able to learn how to shoot this offseason b/c the workout tape I saw was a completely transformed Drummond.

    I like people who can give some honest criticism and nobody talking about Lillard has anything bad to say, as if we're getting superman. 

    One thing that is curious is people (mock drafts, experts, etc) all think Portland is taking Lillard and Marshall.  And what's interesting is, Marshall's stock has dropped in some mockdrafts as low as 15-20... reason being it seems Portland is the only team targeting a starting PG, and those who believe Lillard is Portland bound, figure that means nobody's going to need Marshall until deeper in the first round.  Sucks for him, but we'll see in a handful of hours portland's plan.  

    I should probably check nba.com to see if any trades have been reported.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/28/2012 12:44 PM

    Yeah, Drummond seems like a really good kid. People say he needs a fire lit under him, but I just watched some more of the NBA TV draft specials and there was a bit about him and his family who moved to the US from Jamaica. I don't know if part of the doubt about his motor comes from his cultural humility? Or maybe he's the anti T-Rob in that they both really NEED to play in the NBA, but Drummond feels the obligation more than the drive right now. But the kid can play, and I think a lot of coaches can make a worker out of him.

    My mock has Marshall going 10 to the Hornets. I don't know why nobody else seems to be considering the combination of a floor general with (assuming he'll stay) Eric Gordon and Anthony Davis. Jarrett Jack is no replacement for Chris Paul, and Marshall isn't at that level yet, but he could be the second coming of Jason Kidd or at least Andre Miller.

    Well, we'll know in about 4 hours....
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/28/2012 1:27 PM

    I think Drummond's problem is that he is young and at times he's just a bit lost.  But I've never met an 18 year old that's 6-11 270 and while I wanted him to stay in school, I figure he may as well be taught by professionals. 

    Honestly, I don't know who is saying Drummond doesn't have a motor because that's one thing I did notice about him is his speed.  Other than blocking, I think the best thing Drummond brings to the court is his speed because when he's out in front of the pack, he's gonna throw down with a thunderous boom.  What bugs me about him though is the little things you expect in a guy and this is why I question his basketball IQ.  He'll see a shot go up, and he'll stand there waiting for ball to carom off the rim, oblivious to others around him, so he don't always block out and next thing you know a guy smaller than him beats him for the board.  Or he's flat-footed offensively because he looks like he's unsure what to do!?!?!?   Just makes ya wonder whats up.  I don't think that's a lack of a motor, so much as maybe a guy who wasn't coached well before UConn.

    Marshall's a guy I wish Portland would draft, and if they get Drummond, I think they will get him at 11.  You may be right about Hornets at 10; I don't pay enough attention to teams in the NBA to know everyone's team needs.  I couldn't do an accurate mock draft if I wanted to try.  I'd be much better filling holes on NCAA teams :-P  lol.  But there's lots of guys I like in this draft, still I'm not opposed to swapping both picks for an established player b/c there's too many projects.  Still, while I love the offense lillard brings, I think I'd be disappointed watching Marshall develop on another team b/c I love pure point guards and he's just such an awesome passer.  I really already compare him to kidd and stockton.  I think Marshall's best in the open court, but he's just got great vision and awareness.  I rarely saw him miss an open guy and if you see him in interviews, he has the mind of a PG in that he wants to set his teammates up for the easiest possible shot.

    I said awhile back I wanted Luke Ridnour too because one thing I remember was when he got off the bus for his first visit at U of O, he walked off with a basketball in his hand.  Coach said he never saw him without a basketball in his hand and when I saw the way he handled a basketball, well, he was an amazing dribbler like I'd never seen before.  I'm sure he was born with a basketball in his hand, and those are things I look for in players... the god given abilities that are not easy to teach and take a ton of practice to perfect.  

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  1. boomtown
    boomtown
    Posts: 272

    Posted 06/28/2012 3:59 PM

    love it when I'm watching tv and a guy gives an evaluation that I agree with.  Seth Davis said exactly what I said about drummond, that he doesn't question his motor, he just thinks he's under-developed.  I've played and coached sports and it's amazing how many times I find that kids have not been taught things such as how to properly release a ball, tight elbow, rotation, they don't understand the basics or the importance of fundamentals because they've just been told to sorta do what they do best.  And keep in mind that Coach Calhoun has had health problems.  This is part of why I cut Jeremy Lamb some slack last year and also why Drummond didn't develop as much as he could have at UConn, so both those guys making the leap is probably a good thing cuz they need guidance.  Lamb's a good kid, but he needs to be pushed and Drummond simply needs to work on basics.
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  1. jwmann2
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    Posts: 4

    Posted 06/28/2012 11:28 PM

    I think Royce White will be a solid surprise in the NBA. Remember people didn't know much about Marcus Fizer when he came out of Iowa State either.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posts: 2735

    Posted 07/01/2012 9:06 PM

    Yah and look how well Fizer lasted 
    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. commontongue
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    Posts: 1864

    Posted 07/03/2012 7:05 PM

    I forgot all about Fizer. Isnt he playing in Pakistan ? hahahahaha
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
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