Batum Watch - Season 6
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/22/2013 10:32 AM

     

    ·         Will this be the year the Batum breaks out of his inconsistent play? 

    ·         Will this be the year that he quits making excuses for his poor play because of  injuries that do not show up in a MRI (his wrist)?

    ·         Will his assist to turnover ratio improve?

    ·         Will he drive the lane more?

    ·         Will he be more aggressive in the paint?

    ·         Will he change his shot selection to help the team?

    Only time will tell.  He has until the trade deadline to prove that he is worth to wear a Blazer Uniform.  If it is the same inconsistent Batum from the past then he needs to be traded and traded fast.

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posts: 758

    Posted 08/22/2013 5:20 PM

    Will this be the year BlazerManiac breaks out of his inconsistant Blazer fandom?

    Will this be the year BlazerManiac quits making excuses for his lack of support for Batum?

    Will his positive to negative forum post ratio improve?

    Will he find the drive to support the entire team?

    Will he change his forum post selection away from ragging on Batum to help this team?

     

    Only time will tell.  He has until the trade dealine to prove that he is [worthy of wearing] a Blazer jersey.  If it is the same inconsistent BlazerManiac from the past then he needs to be traded and traded fast.

  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/22/2013 5:39 PM

    Will this be the year that we make it past the first round ?

    Will this be the year we become Beasts ?

    Will this be the year frowns turn upside down ?

    Will this be the year folks stop acting like Meese ?

     

    Only time will tell.

    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/22/2013 8:14 PM

    Posted By Blazer Fanatic on 08/22/2013 5:20 PM

    Will this be the year BlazerManiac breaks out of his inconsistant Blazer fandom?

    Die Hard Blazer Fan, do not ever question that!.  I been following them the team since 1970 when my Dad had season tickets behind the basket when they sucked.  Has season tickets until 1991 when I moved to So Cal.  You have no right to question my loyalty to the team.

    Will this be the year BlazerManiac quits making excuses for his lack of support for Batum?

    My lack of support is justified, after waiting 5 years for him to evolve.

    Will his positive to negative forum post ratio improve?

    My opinions are only perceived to be negative by the fans who drink the Batum Koolaid and will wait until he plays consistent.

     

    Will he find the drive to support the entire team?

    Don't every question my loyalty to the entire team.

     

    Will he change his forum post selection away from ragging on Batum to help this team?

    If Batum played consistent he would help the team. 

     

    Only time will tell.  He has until the trade dealine to prove that he is [worthy of wearing] a Blazer jersey.  If it is the same inconsistent BlazerManiac from the past then he needs to be traded and traded fast.

     

    You have no right to question my loyalty to the team.  I have been with them going into the 44th season. For the last 29 I have been supporting them In Laker Country.  If I go to a Blazer Game when they play the Clippers or Lakers or where wither my LMA or Roy uniform proudly and I take all the crap that comes with it and defend the team.

    So Blazer Fanatic, you live in the NW and you are blinded by Batum's potential, and not looking at the facts.  He has had five years to get the people like me off his back.  He signed a high contract and he new what was expected, and he failed miserably.  Since he played good 1/2 of the season maybe he should pay the blazers back 1/2 of his salary.  Under the new CBA a player can renegotiate his contract to a less dollar amount.  Did I see Batum offer to do that to help get more Salary CAP space to improve the team?  NO!

    Blazer Fanatic - I appreciate your knowledge of the Salary CAP, CBA and all the technical rules of the way to maximize money to get better players.  You far and above more than anyone on this forum have taught me more about that.  But you cannot teach my about loyalty to the team.  I have been a die hard fan since Harry Glickman got them into the league in 1970.  So I you want to perceive my criticizing of Batum as being negative, that is not my issue, then it is yours (respectfully)

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/22/2013 8:45 PM

    This would be a great time for a team hug.
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. Siccolo
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    Posts: 1250

    Posted 08/22/2013 9:58 PM

    Why is everyone so irritated at negative/criticizing posts?? This is a message boards people can say any opinion they have as long as they are not spamming it. 


     I do think BlazerManiac overdid it with "He has until the trade deadline to prove that he is worth to wear a Blazer Uniform.  If it is the same inconsistent Batum from the past then he needs to be traded and traded fast."


    There has to be SOMEONE that questions the Blazer decisions, whats the point of a forum when everyone has the same ideas?



    Id rather see negative post about Basketball than negative posts about fans

    I am a fan of This Quote "One Love. One Heart. One Human race."
  1. fredisdead
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    Posted 08/23/2013 3:19 AM

    Posted By Siccolo on 08/22/2013 9:58 PM

    Why is everyone so irritated at negative/criticizing posts?? This is a message boards people can say any opinion they have as long as they are not spamming it. 


     I do think BlazerManiac overdid it with "He has until the trade deadline to prove that he is worth to wear a Blazer Uniform.  If it is the same inconsistent Batum from the past then he needs to be traded and traded fast."


    There has to be SOMEONE that questions the Blazer decisions, whats the point of a forum when everyone has the same ideas?



    Id rather see negative post about Basketball than negative posts about fans


    i agree totally if you dont like dont read it dont attack them for being negative its there opinion if you think there opinion is wrong say so but dont attack them for the direction of there criticism people are entitled to there opinions negative or not ether way its theirs 

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/23/2013 3:42 AM

    My questions were said in jest, and rhetorical. It's not an "attack" so settle down kids.  But since BlazerManiac took the time to respond, and because my goal is not to insult him or anyone personally, I will too.

    BlazerManiac, you once posted, “I limit myself now on this board as I get tired of people ripping me because I and others voice our opinions.”

     

    To be perfectly clear, it is your opinion BlazerManiac (trade LA, trade Batum, Paul Allen is the worst) that which you repeat ad nauseam, year after year, that gets ripped. We heard you the first 100 times. Droning on about it in every thread you post, at every opportunity is really quite obnoxious.  If you are "entitled" to post your opinion, I am entitled to respond with mine.  A single standard and a little self-awareness would go a long way.

    Example: “Batum is an average SF at best.” This is a dumb opinion, and taken in context with the litany of Batum hate spam you’ve posted, perhaps incredulous and dumb. But let’s not get defensive and confuse that with, “You are a dumb person.”

    Feel free to “rip” any opinion of mine you don’t agree with. I don’t take it personal if you stick to speaking to my opinion. But take care with claiming “victim” status as a means to keep filling up the board with the same tired, boring take, over, and over, and over, and over, and over… What you call a “contribution”, I call “spam.” Think I’m being overly critical? Look at your post history over the past few months and even years, or I’d be happy to do it for you just so we’re on the same page in terms of context. I would post it, but I'm not trying to embarrass you, just saying I've looked. I don't know you from anyone else, other than what you type. You can't blame me for pointing out that you talk outta both sides of your mouth - a die hard Blazer fan who never has anything good to say about this Blazer team? Does not compute.

    Take ownership for what you type. “The Last real Big splash the Blazers made was signing Maurice Lucas and Moses Malone when the ABA disbanded. That was 1975. That was the Larry Weinberg Days who wanted to win.” You expect me to read that, and yet not question why you still hang around to bash LA, Batum, and Allen constantly? Can we not be honest about this for a minute?  It's the year 2013, catch up.

    As for loyalty - I never mentioned it. I am simply saying you are not a fan of THIS team. And that is the only conclusion any reader could draw when literally every post is: trade, trade, trade, no balls, not a man, soft, weak, less than average, doesn’t care, doesn’t want to win, only cares about profit...[sic] and anyone who disagrees is labeled a “kool-aid drinker” or an idiot. Don't you see its your comments that are "personal" in nature? You don't simply say "I disagree." Words have meaning. Profound right? Kool-aid drinker refers to a person or group holding an unquestioned belief, argument, or philosophy without critical examination. The phrase typically carries a negative connotation when applied to an individual or group.

    Which is it, am I a critcal thinker or not? Can yall not insult me or a majority of people that read this forum (judging from the minority of 2 people and 1 alternate account that responded to a "batum petition" thread) who disagree with you, and then not get defensive when someone busts your proverbial balls for being the incredulous, incindiary, minority opinion?

    I don’t doubt you WERE a Blazer fan at one point in your life, just not now. Why? During the Jail Blazer era, I stopped going to games at the Rose Garden, and stopped paying to watch them play on Blazer cable, and I certainly didn’t post about them on the internet. You could even say I wasn’t a fan of the Trailblazers during that time. I’m not going to hold it against you if you did that now. But to say you are a fan of THIS team when all you post is “get rid LA, get rid of Batum, get rid of Allen” is a little disingenuous don’t you think? More so, how can you blame anyone for drawing the same conclusion when they have nothing else to draw any other inference from? I have every (idk about “right”, seems a bit melodramatic, but certainly) reason to question why you keep posting this anti LA/Batum/Allen spam and saying you are a “die hard” Blazer fan in the same breath. I could simply ignore you, but I think my acknowledging your existence is more respectful. And my goal is not to "chase people off" by disagreeing with their entrenched opinions, especially if they are misunderstood, or not communicating what they really mean to say.

    If you take anything from my response take this - I found this amongst the Batum/LA/Allen hate mail you’ve posted recently at season’s end that might shed some light on things, “I will cheer when I have something to cheer about, and quite honestly there really has not been a whole hell of a lot to cheer about…” I’m a woman and even I know there’s more to life, basketball, and the Blazers than “jewelry.” I have news for you - there was a ton to cheer about last season, as well as this off-season. I’m sorry you missed it. GO BLAZERS!!!

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/23/2013 3:55 AM

    Posted By commontongue on 08/22/2013 5:39 PM

    Will this be the year that we make it past the first round ?

    Will this be the year we become Beasts ?

    Will this be the year frowns turn upside down ?

    Will this be the year folks stop acting like Meese ?

     

    Only time will tell.


    I liked your questions better.  Show off.
  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/23/2013 8:09 AM

    I think you are spending more time telling BlazerManiac that he is "not a fan of this team" than BlazerManiac actually spends posting.....


    Maniac always expressed his love for Matthews and Hickson for the heart they played with... not like he hates all 15 on the team..


    I don't want to tell anyone what to do on the boards because I have no power over that, but as a reader, these were my thoughts..

    I am a fan of This Quote "One Love. One Heart. One Human race."
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/23/2013 8:43 AM

    Posted By Siccolo on 08/23/2013 8:09 AM

    I think you are spending more time telling BlazerManiac that he is "not a fan of this team" than BlazerManiac actually spends posting.....

    Maniac always expressed his love for Matthews and Hickson for the heart they played with... not like he hates all 15 on the team..

    I don't want to tell anyone what to do on the boards because I have no power over that, but as a reader, these were my thoughts..


    Pot, meet kettle. ; )

     

    "not like he hates all 15 on the team.."  oh, well in that case... pardon me while I laugh openly.

     

    I love Andre Miller, doesn't make me a Nuggetts fan.

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/23/2013 10:55 AM

    I hate this site. No edit button and it does not keep thread replies if not signed in. Come on people this is 2013, give us some basic chat functions. 


    Sorry I wrote a nice lengthy response and lost it all.


    To paraphrase, liking individual players, coaches, owners, or even the stadium name is not required to be a fan. Maniac is free to dislike all 15 blazers, the coach, the owner, the gm, the mascot and even the stadium name and he can still be a fan as long as he roots for the franchise to succeed. 


    I have opinions on who I believe can help the team succeed as do many if not everyone that posts on this forum. Thinking that trading LA (cause he does not want to resign or has a lot of value) or Batum (cause he is soft and overpaid) does not make anyone less of a fan of the team. Sure maybe trading those guys might seem counter intuitive to the overall success of the team. If you believe so, sound off and tell the world why but as long as Maniac or whoever wants the team to bring back titles to the city of Portland then they are a fan. 


    I do not care if we have to trade every player, three hot dog vendors, Paul Allen's submarine, and Fanatics uppity responses (to posts she disagrees with or finds insulting) for 15 fat guys all named Craig who have telekinetic powers to win a title. Because in the end the team is bigger than the collection of individuals who make it function.  


    PS. use some of that 4 million you got for naming rights and update the damn website already. Thanks

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. BDawg
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    Posted 08/23/2013 11:14 AM

    I think it may be safe to assume that Maniac is also a fan of Leonard also (see avatar)

    I am a fan of players that play with PASSION and PRIDE
  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/23/2013 12:18 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/23/2013 10:55 AM


    To paraphrase, liking individual players, coaches, owners, or even the stadium name is not required to be a fan. Maniac is free to dislike all 15 blazers, the coach, the owner, the gm, the mascot and even the stadium name and he can still be a fan as long as he roots for the franchise to succeed. 


    rec

    I am a fan of This Quote "One Love. One Heart. One Human race."
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/23/2013 1:44 PM

    I'm laughing at "uppity."  Bless your heart.

     

    My humor was lost on yall in my first post, as was my real point in reply to BlazerManiacs questionair responses (which was an unintended and unforseen consequence... sad face.)  So let's just put this out there and you decide what is "spam" and what is "contribution" since yall didn't bother to look at Post history. 

     

    Heres an accurate samle of almost ever post from BlazerManiac with a smattering of incessant cmeese47 trolling in the past few months that are reflective of his posts for the year and beyond:

    Batum in Top 5 SF Rankings - Aldridge does not make Top 10 in PF

    http://www.iamatrailblazersfan.com/MessageBoardRoot/tabid/158/aff/488/aft/5786/afv/topic/Default.aspx

    “What is Doolittle thinking (or smoking)?”  We know BlazerManiac wants to trade LA, so it’s definitely safe to assume he’s upset Batum was ranked in the top 5.

    REBUILD DIAGRAM 3.0 (posted by Cmeese47)

    http://blogs.trailblazers.com/MessageBoardRoot/tabid/158/aff/488/afv/topic/aft/5651/Default.aspx

    “CMEESE47 has said it right. We must trade Batum. He is not worth the $11M we have to pay him. The Cav's may be holding out hope that LeBron comes back. Bottom line Batum must go.

    Trade LA now or potentially lose him to FA in two years. LA is gone unless we are contending in two years which is not possible. He will probably go to Dallas his home town

    Batum and LA must be on the trading block as they can bring us assets now.”

    Trade Idea to get OSIK (posted by BlazerManiac)

    http://blogs.trailblazers.com/MessageBoardRoot/tabid/158/aff/488/afv/topic/aft/5684/Default.aspx

    “Sign & Trade JJ, along with Wes (I hate to say that, I would rather say Batum), for Asik and Jeremy Lin (even with those ugly contracts for 2014-2015).” 

    Convince me that Paul Allen is not in this for Profits (posted by BlazerManiac)

    http://blogs.trailblazers.com/MessageBoardRoot/tabid/158/aff/488/afv/topic/aft/5685/Default.aspx

    Simply posting and article, “Blazers Part Ways With Strength And Conditioning Coach Bob Medina.”  The distain for Paul Allen is clear yet again, but what is not clear is how the article has anything to do with the thread title.  I’m surprise BlazerManiac had nothing to say about the Rose Garden name change which would have at least made sense with the profit theory.

    Trailblazers Need Men (Posted by billyamick47… or perhaps another account for cmeese47? hmm)

    http://blogs.trailblazers.com/MessageBoardRoot/tabid/158/afv/topic/aff/488/aft/5631/afpg/1/Default.aspx

    billyamick47 aka cmeese47: “When I look at Nicolas Batum or Lamarcus Aldridge I do not see men. Aldridge is much closer to being a man than Batum is at this point for me but neither of them are there yet.

    BlazerManiac: “Could not of said it better! Batum needs to grow a Pair!”

     And… “The Last real Big splash the Blazers made was signing Maurice Lucas and Moses Malone when the ABA disbanded. That was 1975. That was the Larry Weinberg Days who wanted to win.”  Someone fell asleep in 1975, and hasn't woken up yet which might explain the repatative angry post we've heard ever since.

    KEEP BATUM! (posted by special k)

    http://blogs.trailblazers.com/MessageBoardRoot/tabid/158/aff/488/afv/topic/aft/5607/Default.aspx

    BlazerManiac: “OK I am feeling so sorry for poor Batum (NOT), his wrist was hurting so bad and it could not heal becuase he was using it night after night and it could not heal…

    Batum's excuses like his game are a liability to the team. Are we paying for Potential or Production. We cannot have a team when we are waiting for players to play to thier potential. Five years is enough.”

    And more…

    “The most aggression Batum has ever shown is punching someone in the Nuts. We don't hate Batum, what we hate is his inconsistent, excuse making, disappearing act, nonchalant play.

    If you correct those, then he would be a valuable commodity. More importantly if he would not be gutless and learn to drive to the lane and get to the free throw line, now you are talking he is earning his contract.

    More and more people are waking up to the fact that Batum is a valuable trade commodity. We should take advantage of that now.”

    And way more…

    “If Batum wants to win Now as he claims, under the new CBA he can ask for up to a 40% pay reduction and this this would help the Blazers sign Eric Manor and go after a decent defenisve Center. If he refuses to do this, Trade him for Assets.”  Reality, meet delusional.  #sigh

    ALL THE ALDRIDGE TRADE TALK

    http://blogs.trailblazers.com/MessageBoardRoot/tabid/158/aff/488/afv/topic/aft/5761/Default.aspx

    “How did we get away from trading Batum over LA? Use Batum's god awful contract and free up some cap space and trade him. There are teams out there dumb enough to do that.”

    Is Paul Allen more Concerned about Profits then Winning a Championship?

    http://www.iamatrailblazersfan.com/MessageBoardRoot/tabid/158/aff/488/aft/5271/afv/topic/Default.aspx

     

    If you put a statement in the form of a question, is that journalism?  Stephen Colbert lays it out for yall:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/stephen-colbert-fox-news-libya_n_2016188.html

    Classic!!!

     

    The Official Trade Batum Petition (posted by cmeese47)

    http://blogs.trailblazers.com/MessageBoardRoot/tabid/158/aff/488/afv/topic/aft/5604/Default.aspx

    This was a very lonely thread for those that posted.  Only cmeese47, his alter ego billyamick47 and BlazerManiac officially signed.  Very sad.  BlazerManiac said, "Most of you should no my answer. Get rid of HIM!”

    The Official Batum Petition Discussion Thread (posted by cmeese47)

    http://blogs.trailblazers.com/MessageBoardRoot/tabid/158/aff/488/afv/topic/aft/5605/Default.aspx

    BlazerManiac: “How long do we have to wait for Batum to play up to his potential? (Not down to it).

    He just completed his fifth year and abolsutely the most overpaid SF in the game.”

    “I have a real stupid question..” noted, “Why is it when there is a Post about keeping Batum that it gets very little traction on this board? However when the Batum Trade talk starts people are all over it? Seems like more and more people are sobering up from the Batum Koolaid and realizing that we have an average SF at best..”

    “..Batum it is time to grow a pair and play the bame the way it is suppose to be played. QUITE READING YOUR OWN PRESS CLIPPINGS.”

    And my favorite of bit:

    “Cmeese47 - I tried it for a couple of months after I got tired of one individual being too sensitive to the critics I was giving of Batum and Paul Allen. This person basically started trashing me on this board and in my own subtle way, I told this person, to FO. I laid low and just read the postings, and guess what, when I started re-posting, the person who was not on the board any more, but the Batum Kool-Aid drinkers never left…

    I am like you, I will cheer when I have something to cheer about, and quite honestly there really has not been a whole hell of a lot to cheer about…”

     

     

     

    I'm not telling anyone not to post or what to post, just ASKING for people who call themselves "die-hard Blazer fans" to bring more to the table than "trade batum, trade LA, Paul Allen is the worst" spam, and to spare the board any tears of injustice and name calling when I, or one else responds - even with a hilarious joke.

    Thanks,

    BlazerFanatic  ; )

     

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/23/2013 2:19 PM

    “Sign & Trade JJ, along with Wes (I hate to say that, I would rather say Batum), for Asik and Jeremy Lin (even with those ugly contracts for 2014-2015).”

     

    Yes, he loves Matthews and Hickson so much he suggested trade them too.  Next.

  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 08/23/2013 3:45 PM

    I think what batum really needed was a off season of rest and  of lifting weights- the last 3 seasons he had been busy with eauro ball qualifying and then the Olympics. He is getting some rest his agent came out and said batum is going to be lifting weights more and more this offseason- this will be the best thing for batum- he had the stregnth to attack the rim and use less effort  shooting all the 3s he does shoot- he may only average 16 6assists 5 boards 2 stl and .8 blocks a game but only play 30 mins and he will shoot career highs this season

    I am a fan of
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/23/2013 6:41 PM

    What a selfless man, he is willing to deal two of his favorite Blazers to make the team better. 

    Here is an honest question for everyone would you trade your favorite player for a title? I would, every single Cubs fan would and probably many others but would you?

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/23/2013 6:44 PM

    Omar Asik and Jeremy Lin = NBA title. - cmeese47 

    /endthread

  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 08/23/2013 7:06 PM

    There's a Batum watch? Send me a link. My watch just broke. I'd be a pimp if I had a Batum 88 watch.
    I am a fan of multiple All-Stars on the Blazers roster this season!
  1. Bizarro 74
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    Posted 08/23/2013 7:41 PM

    Omar Asik and Jeremy Lin DON'T = NBA title. - Bizarro cmeese47 

    /endthread

    I am a fan of existing to beat oppenents!
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/24/2013 9:00 AM

    Hey Bizarro me who can't spell opponents.

    So if Asik and Lin don't = NBA title than by the same logic neither does any combination of Blazers including LA and Batum. 

    Seems like your just as pessimistic as me. Welcome to the forums.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/24/2013 9:40 AM

    What was the reason posting all those old posts Blazer Fanatic?? That seemed like a huge waste of time....

    I am a fan of This Quote "One Love. One Heart. One Human race."
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/24/2013 9:45 AM

    Self satisfaction maybe

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/24/2013 9:52 AM

    Together

    Everyone

    Achieves

    More

     

    That concept used to be lost on the Blazers, and for the most part,alot of fans as well. The closer we get to the beginning of the season,the more nonsensical quick fix trades and scheme we're going to hear and read. As of right now, our team is better than last year tenfold. Even with JJ in the pivot we gave teams fits. Not just the garbage squads either. Contenders. With absolutely no semblance of a bench we were able to stay competitive. But you know what, ive come to the conclusion that theres no satisfying some people. I had a girl like that once. I gave her a gold chain and she frowned at it because she wanted platinum. I took her to the City Grill,but she wanted to go to the Space Needle. In the end,i just had to cut my losses. Let that marinate.

    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. Bizarro 74
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    Posted 08/24/2013 12:10 PM

    "So if Asik and Lin don't = NBA title than by the same logic neither does any combination of Blazers including LA and Batum."

    ^ ur "logic" sux & I'm nothing like u.
    I am a fan of existing to beat oppenents!
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/24/2013 4:12 PM

    Posted By Siccolo on 08/24/2013 9:40 AM

    What was the reason posting all those old posts Blazer Fanatic?? That seemed like a huge waste of time....

    Because it doesn't matter to you, or because you don't understand.  Which is ok either way.

     

    I was simply showing the history of forum draining, anti-Blazer trolling.  A bad take that is repeated indefinitely.  Bad takes happen.  It's the spaming of any take, good or bad, that makes it obnoxious.  They don't keep it to a single thread.  They post new "trash a Blazer" threads constantly with the same, worn out, spiteful comments.  And then get upset when people poke fun at those worn out opinions.  It's unfortunate.  I don't really comment for those people anyway.  They won't change, and certainly not because of something I said.  I'm just pointing out the inconsistancy.  If people only want to cheer for LeBron, then be a LeBron fan, or a Miami Heat fan, but don't spend every bit of your time on the forum complaining about the Blazers on the Blazer forum and then cry wolf when some makes a joke about said redunant and negative opinions about the Blazers.

     

    The only thing cmeese and maniac are consistant about is they don't care about the players who are the team.  It is an endless rant on who isn't an All-Star and who should be traded next.  Carry on.

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/24/2013 4:14 PM

    Posted By commontongue on 08/24/2013 9:52 AM

    Together

    Everyone

    Achieves

    More

     

    That concept used to be lost on the Blazers, and for the most part,alot of fans as well. The closer we get to the beginning of the season,the more nonsensical quick fix trades and scheme we're going to hear and read. As of right now, our team is better than last year tenfold. Even with JJ in the pivot we gave teams fits. Not just the garbage squads either. Contenders. With absolutely no semblance of a bench we were able to stay competitive. But you know what, ive come to the conclusion that theres no satisfying some people. I had a girl like that once. I gave her a gold chain and she frowned at it because she wanted platinum. I took her to the City Grill,but she wanted to go to the Space Needle. In the end,i just had to cut my losses. Let that marinate.

    Its funny because it's true. lol  ; )

     

  1. D Licious
    D Licious
    Posts: 199

    Posted 08/24/2013 7:27 PM

    Posted By Blazer Fanatic on 08/24/2013 4:12 PM
    Posted By Siccolo on 08/24/2013 9:40 AM

    What was the reason posting all those old posts Blazer Fanatic?? That seemed like a huge waste of time....

    Because it doesn't matter to you, or because you don't understand.  Which is ok either way.

     

    I was simply showing the history of forum draining, anti-Blazer trolling.  A bad take that is repeated indefinitely.  Bad takes happen.  It's the spaming of any take, good or bad, that makes it obnoxious.  They don't keep it to a single thread.  They post new "trash a Blazer" threads constantly with the same, worn out, spiteful comments.  And then get upset when people poke fun at those worn out opinions.  It's unfortunate.  I don't really comment for those people anyway.  They won't change, and certainly not because of something I said.  I'm just pointing out the inconsistancy.  If people only want to cheer for LeBron, then be a LeBron fan, or a Miami Heat fan, but don't spend every bit of your time on the forum complaining about the Blazers on the Blazer forum and then cry wolf when some makes a joke about said redunant and negative opinions about the Blazers.

     

    The only thing cmeese and maniac are consistant about is they don't care about the players who are the team.  It is an endless rant on who isn't an All-Star and who should be traded next.  Carry on.


    It gets old... Small Market trolls with nothing to say... complain and blame... always wanting to trade everyone.. never satisifed.. sooooo boring.

    Negative people by nature seek out other negative people so they can cry together.. its just how it is.

    I fricken love Batum BTW, and he was a bargain, anyone with half a brain would know this... a team player that is going into his prime... he plays the game right and will thrive with our new roster now that we have a second unit and a true center.

    Don't let the haters get you down, this year is going to be AWESOME sooo pumped for camp.

    I think this was a pretty good evaluation to me  from national source... We were 33-35 with a D-League Bench, rookie point and 4 playing the 5... read Dime's take Below

    -------------===--------------- 

    • Spencer Lund of Dime Magazine writes about how GM Neil Olshey managed to turn the Trail Blazers into "real contenders for the playoffs" this offseason:

    The Robinson trade might have been the best move of the summer by Olshey and the Lopez deal might be the most under-appreciated; seriously, Lopez moves a lot better than his brother does on defense and while he’s not exactly a low post presence on offense, he understands space and sets smart screens. For a team that finished in the bottom third of the league in offensive rebounding last season, his presence will also be huge while Aldridge drifts outside the paint for those mid-range jumpers he loves. ...Instead of D-Leaguers coming off the bench for the start of the second quarter, now coach Terry Stotts has legitimate talent to grow, in Robinson and point guard McCollum. He also has a legitimate center in Lopez that doesn’t mind playing offensive second fiddle to Aldridge in the post and is someone who will do all the little things you need ...

    This Portland team will still be on the cusp of the playoffs just like Dallas, New Orleans, and Minnesota, but you have to like their chances after they did so well to get into playoff contention last season before imploding down the stretch. Remember, take away those final 13 losses, and the Blazers were near .500 at 33-35 with a month to play. That’s with the league’s worst bench, too. It’s not too crazy to envision them playing a lot better in the season’s final month with rested starters and a team that’s 9 or 10 players deep, rather than last seasons’ mess.

    -------------===--------------- 

    All this before we signed Mo Williams to lead our second unit... I can't wait for Damien and crew to get rolling to so everyone without vision can see what we have now. Talent and a second year point that is going to be an All Star very soon if not this year.

    GO BLAZERS true fans take the hand that is dealt and don't CRY

    I am a fan of Billy Ray Bates
  1. cmeese47
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    Posts: 2735

    Posted 08/24/2013 7:43 PM

    Posted By Bizarro 74 on 08/24/2013 12:10 PM
    "So if Asik and Lin don't = NBA title than by the same logic neither does any combination of Blazers including LA and Batum."

    ^ ur "logic" sux & I'm nothing like u.

    Your spelling sucks and you are now dead to me.


    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. commontongue
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    Posts: 1864

    Posted 08/24/2013 10:17 PM

    I cant allow this on my watch my people. Most of us are REALLY Blazer fans. A small thing such as disagreements should'nt create such a divide. There's aquote from Godfather 3 that we can all stand to remember, " All our ships must sail in the same direction ". For the most part, they do, but every now and then,a Group hug is in order. On three, RIP CITY ! 1,2,3,.........
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posts: 758

    Posted 08/24/2013 10:54 PM

    @D Licious  I saw that as well.   I do agree, although it's a solid take regardless.  Nothing really too insightful for Blazer fans that have been paying attention to this offseason, but certainly "news" for an uninformed national audience.  And it is icing on the cake (if you're a fan of icing) that the article was written before Mo was added.

     

    I'm not gonna get too far ahead of myself though until the Blazer put leather and rubber to Rose Garden wood floor.  Crawford/wallace/felton failed pretty hard, as well as oden/roy and the plague of injuries during what should have been multiple deep playoff runs.  But how can a Blazer fan look at the team we have now, compaired to last season, and not be excited of things to come?

     

    "It gets old... Small Market trolls with nothing to say... complain and blame... always wanting to trade everyone.. never satisifed.. sooooo boring.Negative people by nature seek out other negative people so they can cry together.. its just how it is."

    Nailed it.  Sad, and true.  The negative one's seem to be the loudest though, by virtue of sheer volume of words typed and threads created.  And boy do they get bent outta shape when someone calls them out.

     

    "GO BLAZERS true fans take the hand that is dealt and don't CRY"  There's no crying in bas...ketball.

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/24/2013 10:57 PM

    Posted By commontongue on 08/24/2013 10:17 PM
    I cant allow this on my watch my people.


    Your watch, but what about Batum's watch?   Stay on topic!  ; )  
  1. Cailin Pietersen
    Cailin Pietersen
    Posts: 244

    Posted 08/25/2013 9:23 AM

    Again, until such time as we actually see the team play this year, we are just speculating. We will certainly be better. We have a deeper bench, a more experienced squad and the size and skill to match anybody out west. Lopez and Aldrige present a much more imposing front court and with Mo Williams and T-Rob we have two guys with a genuine point to prove. Mo is a veteran who wants to get us to the playoffs whilst Robinson is a sophomore who really didn't show any of the things that made him a top 5 pick last year. 


    All this negativity is uncalled for. Our days of draft day busts and knee problems are behind us *touch wood* and I for one feel that this team is built to be as good as a 5th or 6th seed. The idea that we will sneak into the playoffs is ridiculous. We're better than the nuggets, better than Memphis and we can beat the Spurs over 7 games. The real issue is beating the so called lesser teams. I'm pulling for a great season. A winning season!! 

    I am a fan of shouting Batuuuuuum-Shaka-Laka whenever Nic hits a 3!!!!!
  1. BDawg
    BDawg
    Posts: 1593

    Posted 08/25/2013 11:58 AM

    ^ Thank you CP...again

    I am a fan of players that play with PASSION and PRIDE
  1. Brandon Weinant
    Brandon Weinant
    Posts: 109

    Posted 08/26/2013 4:51 AM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 08/22/2013 10:32 AM

     

    ·         Will this be the year the Batum breaks out of his inconsistent play? 

     I hope so but doubtful.

    ·         Will this be the year that he quits making excuses for his poor play because of  injuries that do not show up in a MRI (his wrist)?

     Everyone's pain tolerance is different.

    ·         Will his assist to turnover ratio improve?

     It better.

    ·         Will he drive the lane more?

    Not with being asked to spread the floor for LMA and Lillard. But when he does he sure as heck better go with TWO HANDS not one...

    ·         Will he be more aggressive in the paint?

    Refer you to my previous statement.

    ·         Will he change his shot selection to help the team?

    No, his role will be to spread the court. He certainly better work as hard as Matthews does on defense though.

    With that said, I'll still be someone who cheers the loudest when Batum makes a play. But with that being said... I'll also be one of the loudest when he does a boneheaded play.. Due to the fact being what 6? years in the NBA now? he should know better.

    LA learned, Batum should take notes from the leader of the team and best power forward in the game today.

    oh and just to say it again. Batum is an average sf in the NBA right now. He has the potential to be in the top 3. But highly doubt him ever getting there.

    Heck at this point I'd settle for the top 10. 

    Cause watching the #4/5 scoring option on the spurs play in the playoffs better than Batum has ever.. was just mindblowing. 

    Think the Bulls would trade Deng for batum? Yeah I dont think so.. sadly.



    I am a fan of defence.
  1. D Licious
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    Posts: 199

    Posted 08/26/2013 9:15 AM

    Since this about Batum:

    Batum left last Thursday's French national team game with a sprained ankle and also sat out Saturday's game, the Blazers' official site reports. The injury is not believed to be serious, and Batum is expected to be ready to play in official EuroBasket competitions when they open on September 4. (about 6 days ago)


    As for his value being overrated:

    2012-13 Season
    PPG - APG - RPG-  PER
    14.3 - 4.9 - 5.6 - 15.76


    Balanced abilities makes him great but you would have to have a reall basketball mind to reallize this not a fantasy basketball mind..  Batum's value is going to go up like Apple


    I am a fan of Billy Ray Bates
  1. D Licious
    D Licious
    Posts: 199

    Posted 08/26/2013 9:34 AM

    As a rookie, Pippen averaged 7.9 points and 3.8 rebounds. His production at age 23 the (simillar age of Nic Batum beginning last year) his stats increased to 14.4 points, 6.1 rebounds and 3.5 assists his second season -- his first as a starter.

    Pippen established himself as a star during the 1990-91 season, averaging 17.8 points, 7.3 rebounds and 6.2 assists, teaming with Michael Jordan to lead the Bulls to the NBA title.


    Now I'm not saying Nic is the next Pippen I'm just saying we have a good 24 year old vet going into his prime surrounded with some talent... the glass seems full to me why set limits on his ability to grow

    I am a fan of Billy Ray Bates
  1. BDawg
    BDawg
    Posts: 1593

    Posted 08/26/2013 10:54 AM

    Scottie had a motor and was never considered soft... There exists a distinct difference in personality, which is something not likely to change.  Nic is who he is at this point.


    Pippen was a consistent threat to attack the cup off the bounce.


    In my opinion, Batum lacks both.  Blessed with some very special physical gifts/abilities, should he ever add one or preferably BOTH of the aforementioned... the sky will be the limit and an all-star he will be.  I'd be content to have the Batum we all watched last season early, before the wrist injury.  Question now is...will HE be content with that?

    I am a fan of players that play with PASSION and PRIDE
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posts: 758

    Posted 08/26/2013 10:57 AM

    "Balanced abilities makes him great but you would have to have a reall basketball mind to reallize this not a fantasy basketball mind.."

     

    This is both right and not exactly right.  Yes people that live in fantasy land often don't care or realize how his play or his roll affects and improves the team.  And in that respect, his contribution to team success is missed on many people.

     

    However, Batum was also a fantasy beast at SF, ranked 3rd, (and 16th over ALL NBA players based on last season's stats), ahead of Carmello, Pierce, Parsons, Gay, Young, Iguodala, Deng, Gallinari, Marion, Kirilenko, Ilyasova, Barnes, Green, Artest, K. Leonard, M.Webster, J. Dudley, Aminu, D. Wright, MKG, Brewer, Delfino, Singler, Battier...

     

    So I would simply point out that in both reality, and fantasy, there simply is not an arguement to be made that as a complete player Batum is "average" or anything but one of the best SFs in the game right now.  Some people simply do not like Batum, and use words like "soft, average, no balls, not a man, weak" as a pure insult to fuel an irrational argument that Portland should get rid of him.  To have this opinion is not a crime, but spamming it thread after thread on the Blazer forum is trolling, and could very well be a reflection of personal issues that should be dealt with else where.  Injury and inconsistancy are fair critisisms, but again, one cannot make a reasonable argument without also taking into consideration his production which is among the best at the SF possition.

     

    The comparison to Pippen is fairly accurate to date.

     

    And I thought Batum wasn't going to be playing international ball, but I suppose that was Freeland that wasn't doing that.

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/26/2013 12:49 PM

     

    Lets compare Batum to Jerome Kersey during boths 4th, 5th, and 6th seasons:

    Kersey

     

    1987–88 Portland 79 75 36.6 .499 .200 .735 8.3 3.1 1.6 .8 19.2
    1988–89 Portland 76 76 35.7 .469 .286 .694 8.3 3.2 1.8 1.1 17.5
    1989–90 Portland 82 82 34.7 .478 .150 .690 8.4 2.3 1.5 .8 16.0

     

    Batum

     

    2011–12 Portland 59 34 30.4 .451 .391 .836 4.6 1.4 1.0 1.0 13.9
    2012–13 Portland 73 73 38.5 .423 .372 .848 5.6 4.9 1.2 1.1 14.3

    6th TBD

     

    There is no reason why Batum cannot play to the level of Pippen & Kersey.  The question is "why won't he?"

    Oh and if yo were wondering what Pippen's stats were at the same point in his career, see below:

     

    Sorry about the shading following is the link:  years 90-91, 91-92, 92-93

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottie_Pippen#Career_statistics

     

    1990–91 Chicago 82 82 36.8 .520 .309 .706 7.3 6.2 2.4 1.1 17.3
    1991–92 Chicago 82 82 38.6 .506 .200 .760 7.7 7.0 1.9 1.1 21.0
    1992–93 Chicago 81 81 38.6 .473 .237 .663 7.7 6.3 2.1 0.9 18.6

     

     

     

     

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. riverman
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    Posted 08/26/2013 1:02 PM

    Stats don't tell the whole story about players progress in their developing years. They all had different coaches, systems and were different ages and of different health status as well. Batum is entering his 6th season at 24...McMillan didn't play him much or put him in a position to succeed. One of the years you are comparing was a lockout year which is pretty unfair for comparisons but the bottom line is. These players also had different competition at their positions. I don't understand the point of any of this. Batum bashing has gotten beyond redundant here.
    I am a fan of A team that plays like Tower of Power on a big stage on a good night
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posts: 777

    Posted 08/26/2013 1:41 PM

     

     

    Batum excuses also have gotten beyond redundant here.

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. riverman
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    Posts: 1431

    Posted 08/26/2013 2:03 PM

    Making excuses for someone is different from being a fan and supporting them. Batum entered the NBA at 18, he's barely a year older than Lillard and his upside is tremendous. You don't like a player, fine, but comparing him to retired or dead players? That's a stretch...look up fan in the dictionary and it's a photo negative of most of your anti-Batum posts.
    I am a fan of A team that plays like Tower of Power on a big stage on a good night
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posts: 758

    Posted 08/26/2013 2:31 PM

    "oh and just to say it again. Batum is an average sf in the NBA right now. He has the potential to be in the top 3. But highly doubt him ever getting there.  Heck at this point I'd settle for the top 10. "

    Based on what?  (Don't say the eye test!!!)

     

     

    "Cause watching the #4/5 scoring option on the spurs play in the playoffs better than Batum has ever.. was just mindblowing."

    Kawhi has never had a tripple double, and never a double double in assists/pts.  Batum had 2 tripple doubles last season in the span of a week, and a 10 reb/9ast/12pt game the next week.  The anti-Batum rhetoric is quite lazy and too lame to be comical.

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/26/2013 2:34 PM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 08/26/2013 1:41 PM

     

     

    Batum excuses also have gotten beyond redundant here.



    Irony in its purest form.
  1. D Licious
    D Licious
    Posts: 199

    Posted 08/26/2013 3:52 PM

    Exactly that was my point... age not years in the league


    Batum is only 24... he is an asset that is developing quickly for his age and is on track for a great career


    not excuses just like his progress at 24


    Like Dorrell Wright said he is a tough cover and he plays great D

    I am a fan of Billy Ray Bates
  1. cmeese47
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    Posts: 2735

    Posted 08/26/2013 4:18 PM

    @Fanatic That is a ridiculous cherry picked comparison and you know it. 

    Batum has never had a playoff double double Kawhi had 6 last year alone. Batum has one 15 point playoff game, Leonard had 9 alone last year.

    Maybe Nate did not give Batum enough chance in his three years in the playoffs or maybe Batum did not play well enough that Nate had no choice but to keep him on the floor. 

    I am not going to say who is better or worse between the two but it is a very valid debate. Right now Batum is the more explosive offensive weapon, while Leonard is far more efficient offensively. On defense Leonard is the better rebounder and overall I think a better defender, while Batum is probably a little more versatile. 

    My only real complaint outside of Batum's contract is a concern with his physicality on defense. Yes he gets a steal and block on defense each game and has the ability to guard most 2's and 3's and even some 4's on most nights (that is important). However, come playoffs can he ratchet up his game and play the kind of hard nosed physical basketball needed to win especially on the road in the NBA playoffs. I am not sure he has that level of toughness in him, I certainly hope he does, but if not his versatility still makes him a valuable member of this team. 

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posts: 758

    Posted 08/26/2013 4:42 PM

    Speaking of cherry picking:

    The first Bulls 3-peat cited by Maniac were Pippens 4th, 5th, and 6th year in the league. This is the only information Maniac uses to draw a comparison between Batum and Pippen before the copy/paste stats sheet. I'm unclear whether Maniac's grievance is with Batum, Portland not winning an NBA championship since '77, or both. But his logic is flawed in any case.

    Not mentioned by Maniac:

    Pippen was drafted after his senior year of college.

    He was 22 years old for his first game in the NBA.

    Pippen played 1 on 1 versus Michael Jordan for 3 years prior to the 3 years cited.

    In his first 4 seasons (excluing rookie), he started 220 games (36.2 mpg)

     

     

    Batum didn't play college ball.

    He was 18 years old for his first NBA game.

    Batum shot corner 3s for his first 3 years in the NBA.

    In his first 4 seasons (exluding rookie), he started 126 games (28.9 mpg)

     

    Pippen, Jordan, and Phil Jackson

    Triangle Offense

    Hall of Fame

    Two 3-peat championships with the Bulls

    Roy, Batum, and Nate McMillan

    Roy Iso, McMillan and Batum did not run any offense

    Retired/amnestied, finally showing his potential, fired

     

    Let's give Stotts the 3 years Jackson had, and see where Portland is in 2 years. Umkay?

     

    Which is more important, stats, or championships?

    After the Bulls first 3-peat, Michael Jordan retired. Pippen led the Bulls in every statistical category Did the Bulls win the NBA Championship the following year? Nope.

    "Pippen, who had been the Bulls' leader all season long in Jordan's absence, was so angered by Jackson's decision to not let him take the potential game-winner that he refused to leave the bench and re-enter the game when the timeout was over." Classy. Bulls lost to the Knicks in the play-offs that year.

    Next year: 34-31 record before Jordan returned and finished the final 17 games with a record of 13-4.

    Even a Hall of Fame tallent in Pippen and Hall of Fame coach in Jackson couldn't win a title without Jordan. The same could be said for Jordan without Pippen.

    Team game.

    Batum has not had the coach, the tallent surrounding him, or the time played to be so critical of comparison to Pippen's play style, tallent, stats, or contribution to his team's success. Just be quiet and enjoy the show next season haters. God knows you few trolls will be the first to post if Batum has a bad game, and disapear when he's killin it.

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/26/2013 5:59 PM

    I would say maniac biggest mistake was comparing Batum to Pippen in the first place. Batum is not Pippen and he does not need to be. Should Batum decide to become more like Pippen, he is more than welcome to, however what he mostly needs to do is become a little better all around. He needs to shoot a little better, attack the basket a little more, rebound a little better, pass a little better and just be a little tougher on defense. 


    Give me 15 points 6 rebound 4 assists while shooting closer to 50% from the field and 40% from downtown and aggressive physical defense every night and I am happy. 

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
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